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Post by ErinB on Jun 10, 2004 4:46:29 GMT -5
I have to say the above posts were very friendly even though some were deleted. Just to note, there were no harsh words at all. We will get through this terrible time and hopefully still be speaking to each other when all is said and done.
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Post by earthmother on Jun 10, 2004 4:56:22 GMT -5
Jan--The only thing I can say here is that you have to get over this "with us or against us" attitude. Simply because I don't launch a public protest over what another moderator is doing says nothing about whether I'm with or against the person. I don't have the authority to override another moderator's actions on this board. I even had another moderator delete a couple of my posts a few weeks ago, and there was nothing I could do about it except speak to the person privately. I will say here, to all moderators and all people using this board, that unless a post has specifically broken one of the rules of this forum, that post should be left alone. And especially since most of us know each other pretty well here, the better way to handle these things would be to deal with any personal problems off board.
But Jan, please don't accuse me of anything else that I'm not guilty of. Always remember what Felix Unger said: "When you assume, you make an ass of you and of me." Very wise words.
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Post by Patriot For Gore on Jun 10, 2004 5:00:20 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Erin, but I don't see the humor in it. I am posting in support of Al Gore, and I am posting articles and giving my serious honest viewpoint about all of this, which I know is shared by others. And I am being censored. The very same thing James accused me of, which is false, because he knows I only removed PERSONAL ATTACKS. I am not bothering anyone. I just don't understand the animosity directed at me for having my own opinions. Is that adult? I also don't understand how this kind of treatment to anyone on a constant basis is not spoken out against by those who know me. But don't worry. I don't have time to report such pettiness really, because I am really not that way. There are more important things to discuss, which was what I was trying to do until I was again censored here. If all you all want here is a cheerleading section with nothing of substance being discussed, then you can have it. There are many other places to go that have the kind of discussions we need to be having, including our own forum. I suppose some really are "threatened" by a passionate opposing viewpoint. So much for the "big tent" theory.
Jan ALWAYS A Patriot For Gore Kerry may get my vote physically, but not in my heart!
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Post by restoredemocracy on Jun 10, 2004 5:00:36 GMT -5
I find it shameful and offensive that my post exposing Jan's use of censorship against me during her time at this forum for daring to advocate the use of the democratic party history when it fought back against the stolen 1824 election which is totally the opposite of what the DNC/DLC is doing now, has been deleted. Censorship is alive and well at this forum and I have no doubt that the namesake of this forum would be appauled that his name is being used to invoke censorship. The only people whose posts are allowed to stand at this forum are those that tow the pro DLC/DNC line. I find that offensive because it was the DLC/DNC who prevented Al Gore from running in 2004.This is supposed to be an Al Gore support forum not an anti Gore pro DLC/DNC forum.
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Post by Patriot For Gore on Jun 10, 2004 5:05:03 GMT -5
Karen, It is about PRINCIPLE, because in principle it is wrong to do that to anyone. I would stand up for you. Simple as that. But don't worry, I'm really not coming back here again. And I don't assume anything. Actions speak very clearly, and I got the message loud and clear. Good luck to you.
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Post by earthmother on Jun 10, 2004 5:07:42 GMT -5
Maybe if there weren't so much animosity among the people posting here there wouldn't be so much censorship? I don't think we should deny anyone the right to post here as long as the posts don't break any of the rules. IMO, all posts should be left alone unless they are harassing, offensive, or untrue. We do ourselves no favors by censoring posts just because we don't agree with what they say or because we hold personal grudges. But as a warning then to those who've had some of their posts deleted, just be certain that you don't twist people's words around and that you don't make attacks personal. Just stick to the topics being discussed and we'll be fine.
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Post by GSC Admin on Jun 10, 2004 7:11:48 GMT -5
Why would you report our site to TOS? Threats will not reslove anything. I only have one question: Is it really that hard to stay on topic, instead of resorting to personal things?
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Post by earthmother on Jun 10, 2004 7:23:11 GMT -5
At the risk of sounding really ignorant, what's TOS?
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Post by MProffitt on Jun 10, 2004 8:15:47 GMT -5
With all due respect to all those I truly admire on this Board - Please enough! - there are far more important things going on in our world, in our country, and in our name than who said what and how it was said. We all have more in common than what these types of posts depict, which by the way is a real turn off to anyone who comes here. Our real problem: I'm the commander. See, I don't have to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation." President G W Bush to Bob Woodward "There is a time to laugh," the Bible tells us, "and a time to weep." Today I weep for the country I love, the country I proudly served, the country to which my four grandparents sailed over a century ago with hopes for a new land of peace and freedom. I cannot remain silent when that country is in the deepest trouble of my lifetime. www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6300.htm ...... this is not politics as usual and the other side isn't just wrong. It is criminally wrong. And Bush doesn't just need to be defeated, Bush needs to never be allowed to happen again. (from the new threat I posted) Again, I ask from all - we come to this site because of a great man and we do him a disservice when we are not tolerant or give the benefit of the doubt ....
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Post by earthmother on Jun 10, 2004 8:48:09 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more, MProfitt. This is a message we all need to heed.
As for the link to that article, what a terrific piece that is. And that quote from Bush in Woodward's book sums up the whole swaggering, arrogant attitude of this administration. The trouble is, I don't see how we stop it (another Bush-type regime) from happening again. Even if we win in November, the right wing will still exist. And they will be even more energized than ever to sling their slime at the Democrats. Can you imagine how hard it will be for Kerry if he wins? They will continue to villify him, and I have no doubt they will do to him what they did to the Clintons. The only hope we have is that Kerry, unlike Clinton, won't hand them the ammunition to make their job easier. I think that this country has been headed in a very dangerous direction for years. Look at the praises they're all singing now for Reagan, who wasn't one of our best presidents, but one of our worst. Even the more rational and liberal-minded people are doing it.
We have a very difficult and long fight ahead of us.
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Post by GSC Admin on Jun 10, 2004 10:50:06 GMT -5
TOS: Terms of Service
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Post by GSC Admin on Jun 10, 2004 11:01:11 GMT -5
I agree with Earthmother. Jan, if you despise this site so much, why keep coming back? You are the one who hurt yourself when you left. You said in this thread that you left because I censorship, yet you claimed then you left because you could not continue your efforts here. Oh, also you said that we pushed you out by endorsing Kerry. And then there was that excuse that we were all traitors to Gore and DNC lovers. So I guess this falls in the long line of excuses you have for initially leaving this site, but you have yet to give a reason why you keep coming back and disrupting things. You should have known when you started your own site that many of the original members would stay here, their home. Yet now, you come back on various times spamming your site here and trying to lure our members to your site. I just don't understand your motive. I guess it is just another example of people getting too power hungry. But I am not going to say no more about it. As you know you are welcome to post here under your real name and as long as you do not spam or instigate fights with other members, which you have yet to obide by. Now, can we get back on the real subject here? Al!
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Post by GSC Admin on Jun 10, 2004 12:13:06 GMT -5
* Note, the previous post by guest: Patriot For Gore was deleted due to rehashing of old things and personal attacks that are not permitted on this forum. If you have any questions, please PM the staff.
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Post by MProffitt on Jun 10, 2004 17:02:07 GMT -5
So.... we get the last word in .... which then requires a response .... and we are back at where we started.
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Post by GSC Admin on Jun 11, 2004 8:51:02 GMT -5
I hope this is the end of this.
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