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Post by JamesAquila on Jun 13, 2004 18:38:18 GMT -5
OK but for the moment let's proceed with the hope that Kerry will win in November and not denagrate the idea before it has a chance to get out of the starting gate.
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Post by GSC Admin on Jun 13, 2004 19:14:07 GMT -5
Yea, I agree, Kerry in 2004 is crucial. He may not be our #1 guy, but we need someone who is not Bush. I too fear the draft coming back. I truely believe he is re-elected, the draft will be back. However, Earthmother, I understand your feelings. If Kerry does lose, Gore in 2008 all the way! I believe there is a false sense of urgency in all of use that say it will be ok if Kerry loses because Gore is there for 08, but it is just that, a false sense. It won't be ok. This nation is in need of a new direction, new leadership, and a new vision. Hopefully, Al Gore will be a part of that someway, somehow, god willing.
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Post by earthmother on Jun 14, 2004 4:32:14 GMT -5
Ya know, Chris, I forgot that you would be more personally affected than any of us if they reinstitute the draft. Having grown up during the Vietnam draft era, I'm just curious how your peers in TN view Bush, the war, Kerry, Gore, the draft, etc. Feel like talking about any of that? You've got a different perspective on this from the rest of us, I think.
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Post by ErinB on Jun 14, 2004 6:40:05 GMT -5
In answering the question of what kind of press the US would get around the world....I think they would be singing the Hallelujah chorus! Don't get me started on the draft, now....my head starts spinning around and I start spewing pea soup like Linda Blair!!
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Post by ErinB on Jun 14, 2004 9:41:22 GMT -5
Also, about the petition, it is a good faith measure to try to write the wrongs of the 2000 election. It is no more unconstitutional than was the selection of Bush...the Supreme Court needs to reverse their decision, which is not unheard of...the Supreme Court has reversed their decisions many times. As for Congress now, they are controlled by Republicans so there is not much to be done with them. The state of things now, this probably won't happen but it is worth trying...and I know you all agree on who we want in that office.
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Post by ErinB on Jun 14, 2004 10:14:44 GMT -5
[whisper=admin,earthmother]That petition raises its ugly head again. May God have mercy on my soul.[/whisper]
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Post by earthmother on Jun 14, 2004 10:22:16 GMT -5
[Whispered message to Erin: I wrote the below response before you whispered that message to me! But I think it's time to face this one squarely and accept the problems that are inherent in the whole thing. Read . . . ]With all due respect, the petition is an impossibility and creates even more wrongs in trying to correct the ones that have already occurred. As you know, I found myself in a position of trying to defend the petition on AGDems, and I finally had to admit that the person who was arguing with me had good points that could not be argued with. In order to install Gore as president in this election cycle, which is already well under way, we would be disenfranchising the millions of voters who have already voted in the primaries, and we would need to completely rewrite election law to accommodate a person who was not voted into office via the electoral college in 2000, and not voted in by either popular or electoral vote in 2004. Also, you say the Supreme Court has reversed its decisions before. These five crooked justices, who still sit on the bench, will never reverse their decision. It would be really wonderful if there were some way to install Gore now to the office that he won in 2000. Unfortunately, without the tangible and undisputable proof that he won Florida, and with the statute of limitations having long ago expired on the election of 2000, and with the current election being well underway, there is no way to now go back and undo what has already been done. I don't believe you'll find a legal or political scholar in the world who'll tell you otherwise, regardless of which side they stand on. In a perfect world, maybe there'd be a way, but in a perfect world, this never would've happened in the first place.
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Post by ErinB on Jun 14, 2004 10:28:25 GMT -5
One day they may reverse their decision but of course the makeup of the court would have to be different. ( Iwonder if that will happen in our lifetimes.)The ones there now would never admit to being wrong. Probably even if a million people signed it they would not change anything but it would sure send a message that we were not happy with the outcome.
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Post by earthmother on Jun 14, 2004 10:39:59 GMT -5
There's never anything wrong with sending a protest to show how you feel, and that was my argument to the person on AGDems for why I signed the petition. But in the end, I had to admit that he was right (it wasn't easy, either!). A better way, then, would be to simply have a petition that says we object to what happened in the election of 2000, rather than one that seeks to "restore" Gore to the White House. It's much easier for me to say this now that I'm no longer a member of PFG, but I have known all along that the "restore Gore" petition was fraught with insurmountable difficulties.
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Post by ErinB on Jun 14, 2004 11:43:50 GMT -5
[whisper=admin,Earthmother]EM, its more of the Jan thing but hopefully things are going to stop here with all this. I have faith that it can.[/whisper]
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Post by earthmother on Jun 14, 2004 11:48:46 GMT -5
Psst! Erin! I knew that. But in response to what?
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Post by GSC Admin on Jun 14, 2004 12:21:16 GMT -5
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Post by JamesAquila on Jun 14, 2004 16:42:21 GMT -5
Very true. While Gore does influence me I don't always walk in lockstep with him. He supports the death penalty, I do not. As you know Chris, when Gore endorsed Dean many Gore supporters felt betrayed. In regard to Kerry, Gore is supporting him because he is the nominee. But Gore has gone out of his way to say very positive things about Kerry and I don't believe he is lying as some would suggest.
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Post by restoredemocracy on Jun 14, 2004 18:18:24 GMT -5
Is no one at this forum aware that it was Reagan who laid the groundwork for the disaster our country is now in? For the record, Reagan appointed 4 of the felonious 5 Supreme Court crooks who ended democracy in 2000 by not counting the uncounted votes that Florida election law required be counted and installed Bush against the will of the people. It was Reagan who armed both Saddam Hussien and Osama bin Laden. In addition, the first 3 words of the constitution are "we the people". It's we the people who run this country and we the people can do what we want. By installing Bush, the felonious 5 undid more than 200 years of the rule of law of the Supreme Court not getting involved in a disputed Presidential election. They were never given this authority by the U.S. constitution or any other federal law. Furthermore, the leadership of the democratic party fought back against the 2 previous stolen elections in 1824 and in 1876 but they have been completely AWOL from defending our democracy from the Bush coup in 2000. For the record Earthmother, there is more than ample evidence that Al Gore is the rightful winner of the 2000 election. The count of the uncounted votes proves this beyond all reasonable doubt. Democracy in America is dead until the stealers of the 2000 election are held accountable for their crimes. Our country would be at a very different point today had the will of the people prevailed in 2000. It sure wouldn't be in the disaster it's in now. We the people never voted for the disasterous direction the election stealing Bush has taken our country. The last time an arrogant unelected tyrant named George tried to stuff his disasterous agenda down the throats of we the people and snuff out the beginnings of democracy in our country, the result was the first American revolution.
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Post by GSC Admin on Jun 14, 2004 18:25:11 GMT -5
So now you think we are Ronald Reagan supporters? Come on. Do you even bother to read the posts in this section? algoresupport.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=DiscussthedestructionandharmtherightwingisdoingandistryingtodototheUSAIf you don't feel one once of grief for Nancy, you are a low person. No matter what their policies were, they were a loving couple. Spending 52 years with someone is a great thing. However, to lose someone after that long is probably the worst thing that could happen to a spouse. Why do you keep chirping at Earth Mother? Again, I gave you your last warning last night. I will leave this up to the rest of the moderators to judge.
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