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Post by MProffitt on May 30, 2004 13:08:55 GMT -5
A..male:
You are a waste of time - period.
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Post by restoredemocracy on May 30, 2004 19:39:08 GMT -5
A male is obviously a right wing plant. No real Al Gore supporter would right the posts that A Male wrote. For starters, Al Gore got the most votes in 2000. It was Bush who behaved like Hitler by violating numerous Florida election laws to trample the clear will of the people and steal the 2000 election. World War II was about preserving our democratic form of government. Bush ended democracy in America with his theft of the 2000 election so that he could start his war for oil and empire building in Iraq to further enrich his rich friends at Haliburton, Bectel, G.E. and Enron. Bush has lied at every turn about Iraq. In addition, Bush has made it very clear that laws like the U.S. constituion, state election laws and the Geneva Convention mean nothing to him. Because of this, our country is now the most hated country on the planet and is at a far greater risk for a terrorist attack.To further document this, I would suggest that you read long time repubican party activist Kevin Phillips book about the Bushes called, "American Dynasty" as well as Nixon White House counsel John Dean's book about Bush called "Worse than Watergate". BTW, once Russia ratifies the Kyoto treaty, the U.S. will be the only major country that hasn't ratified it. Furthermore and unlike Bush, President Clinton was twice elected by we the people. Our country was never better off than it was under Clinton. Bush is a disaster and has no business illeglly squatting in Al Gore's house. Finally, my father was a bomb group commander under General Jimmy Doolittle during World War II and had terrible nightmares about it throughout my childhood and until the day he died. I will never forget this as long as I live. You should be ashamed for trying to bolster the election stealing, Viet Nam dodging Bush who has no idea what war is and who so openly disdains democracy that he ended it in America in 2000. You're posting to the wrong group. Get lost.
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Post by restoredemocracy on May 31, 2004 4:52:36 GMT -5
Alpha male, your own words expose you for the right wing wack job that you are.For starters, Al Gore got the most votes in Florida and nationally. In an act that only HItler would love, Bush deliberately violated Flordia election law in order to trample the will of the people and block the counting of many thousands of uncounted votes. Don't tell me about Florida because I used to live there so I know the disputed teritory extremely well whil you don't have a clue. Bush ended democracy in America in 2000 and our country is paying a terrible price. Don't tell me about World War II becaue I do have a first hand account and I can tell you that World War II was about defending our democratic form of government. You are totally mistaken if you think there would've been elections had Hitler won. You don't have a clue. Furthermore,the U.S. is the world's biggest poluter. The reason gas prices are so high is because the Saudis and the rest of OPEC know they can get away with it with Bush because of the Bush familiy's very deep connections to the Saudis and OPEC. In conclusion, every previous generation has fought and died to presrve our democratic form of government that your Viet Nam dodging Bush stole in 2000. You should be ashamed for defending Bush's Hitler behavior. You need to go post on your right wing nut board. It's obvious you can't handle the truth so you need to get lost because everyone in this group knows the truth about Bush so you're wasting your time.
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Post by JamesAquila on May 31, 2004 4:57:09 GMT -5
Maybe Al should be paying closer attention before spending all that money on his own lost cause. Remember back when the Liberal Talk Radio Network was announced? There was more press for this radio network that had 3 stations on it than probably any other radio network has ever received. The media has ignored talk radio for years, but suddenly they took an incredible interest in "the answer to conservative talk radio." Well it's been downhill ever since. In fact, it's gone into the toilet so fast, it's rather astonishing. You remember when they bounced a check and got yanked off some of their stations? Then, there was the resignation of several high-profile executives. Well, now it looks like their biggest star is working for free. That's right, Al Franken has agreed not to draw a salary. Liberal radio failed for the same reason it usually does: there's no audience for it. To be sure, they drew some interest in thier first month ... with all the press coverage how could they not? But advertisers don't put their money into train wrecks. In this case, sheer incompetence hastened their departure. I wonder if the media will cover their demise as heavily as they did their debut? I doubt it. Well here you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Air America didn't bounce any checks but stopped a check to a station which they were having a dispute with the owner. They haven't faded as you say but have been adding stations. They originally started with 7 stations and are now up to 12 and will soon be 3 adding more. As far as Franken, he never took a salary and always agreed to work for free to give the network a chance to build itself up. So it has not failed as you claim but is slowly building an audience and national network. Come back when you get your facts straight.
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Post by JamesAquila on May 31, 2004 5:05:10 GMT -5
Regarding Kyoto, you forgot China, the largest polluter. Again, get your facts straight. China is not the world's largest polluter, we are. China is second. But considering that 1.3 Billion people live in China vs. the 290 Million that live here, we are producing 5 times the amount of pollution per person than China.
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Post by Alfalfa Male on May 31, 2004 9:55:43 GMT -5
Well here you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Air America didn't bounce any checks but stopped a check to a station which they were having a dispute with the owner. They haven't faded as you say but have been adding stations. They originally started with 7 stations and are now up to 12 and will soon be 3 adding more. As far as Franken, he never took a salary and always agreed to work for free to give the network a chance to build itself up. So it has not failed as you claim but is slowly building an audience and national network. Come back when you get your facts straight. AAR will fail because their business model and the message is a failure. The business model is one where they have to buy time on radio stations. All other radio shows are syndicated, by that, radio stions pay to broadcast the programming. And the liberal message doesn't hold up to callers, unless you don't allow people with opposing viewpoints to get thru. It is the disagreements that make for interesting radio. Think before you respond next time...
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Post by MProffitt on May 31, 2004 10:35:34 GMT -5
It is pointless to argue with this person who tags himself as male member of the bean family (a mindless plant - highly appropriate) ... He spews his mis-facts, mis-quotes, misleading information, purposesly missing the points the altogether - he attacks and argues only to move on to another subject, not to debate, just to argue how right he is and how wrong everyone else is. He sites no facts to back up his information or claims.
Again, I say he is a waste of time. My time is more valuable to me than to waste it any further on someone who is here only to be disruptive and to carry on no meaningful conversation.
We have an election to win, a country to get back and a nation to wake.
In honor of the day of rememberance to all those before us that defended this country with honor, bravery and their ultimate sacrifice, their lives:
Words of a man who did take this country to War, without lies, without war profiting, without ideology, without breaking international laws with honor and bravery, and not as carelessly as this pResident and his "Co-War Criminals" have. But took this country to War in the defense of this nation and for the very democracy of other nations and its peoples to live and govern their own nations.
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More than an end to war, we want an end to the beginning of all wars - yes, an end to this brutal, inhuman and thoroughly impractical method of settling the differences between governments. Franklin D. Roosevelt
--------------------------------------- The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes strong than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. Franklin D. Roosevelt
--------------------------------------- ("Where are the children of the 60's - the revolution - the christian right has won - this country is considered by most European nation as right-wing conservative.")
----------------------------------------- True individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made. Franklin D. Roosevelt
------------------------------------------ Let us never forget that government is ourselves and not an alien power over us. The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and senators and congressmen and government officials, but the voters of this country. Franklin D. Roosevelt
----------------------------------------- The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much it is whether we provide enough for those who have little. Franklin D. Roosevelt
Honor, remember and enjoy the day ….. November may mark a day America began to change, I pray it does.
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Post by GSC Admin on May 31, 2004 14:20:13 GMT -5
Do you think we should ban this right winger? I say as long as he does not bash Gore and sticks strickly to the issues, we should debate him. But if he says one thing about Al, he is gone. Debate is good, bashing is not.
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Post by JamesAquila on May 31, 2004 15:34:52 GMT -5
AAR will fail because their business model and the message is a failure. That's you're opinion, not a fact. Many, many people don't think their message is a failure. The real failure would be to snuff out all opposing points of view. The business model is one where they have to buy time on radio stations. All other radio shows are syndicated, by that, radio stions pay to broadcast the programming. Well I see you know enough about the broadcast business as everything else. The business model they are using is the same one that NBC, CBS and ABC have been using with success for over 80 years. The major networks pay their local affiliates to air their programming and commercials. As far as syndication, some stations pay for some programs, some barter advertising time. There are many different models for how it works. And the liberal message doesn't hold up to callers, unless you don't allow people with opposing viewpoints to get thru. It is the disagreements that make for interesting radio. Think before you respond next time... Again that's your narrow minded opinion. And opposing callers are allowed through all the time. Now why don't you answer my question. If Air America is such a failure, why are they adding stations?
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Post by earthmother on May 31, 2004 15:53:02 GMT -5
Alpha Male, your comparisons between WWII and Iraq are not only inaccurate, but insulting to anyone who fought in that war. To begin with, the United States did not enter that war until we were directly attacked, whereas Iraq was a pre-emptive war because we thought maybe we kinda shoulda been a bit afraid because this tyrant might perhaps, gee, I don't know, could possibly be some kinda threat to us down the road. In WWII, we didn't go to war because we wanted to; we went to war because we had to, to defend ourselves. We watched WWII play out in the European theater for a long time while Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin (all tyrants of far greater magnitude than Saddam Hussein) committed atrocities of the most horrible kind. It took a direct hit on Pearl Harbor for us to decide that it was time to risk the lives of Americans to save ourselves and the world.
Also, let me ask you this question: Do you have any children? I have no idea how old you are, but would you risk the life of your own child for the mere purpose of freeing the Iraqi people of their tyrant? Would you consider it worthwhile for yourself to get killed so that Iraqis can be free of Saddam? I doubt it. There is tyranny all over the world. Americans cannot sacrifice their lives to make the world a better place for all people. We must first take care of ourselves, and only go to war if attacked. What of all the starving and homeless children right here in America? Think of all the good that could have been done for them if we weren't spending billions of dollars to feed and house Iraqis. Does this make sense?
America has historically been an isolationist nation. George W. Bush has turned hundreds of years of American political tradition on its head to fight a pre-emptive, unnecessary war that hurts America while it helps the Iraqis. All parallels to WWII are bogus and ridiculous.
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Post by restoredemocracy on May 31, 2004 17:49:27 GMT -5
Do you think we should ban this right winger? I say as long as he does not bash Gore and sticks strickly to the issues, we should debate him. But if he says one thing about Al, he is gone. Debate is good, bashing is not. Wake up Chris, this right wing nut has been bashing Al Gore at every turn and should be banned. Do you need me to draw you a picture? This is supposed to be a forum for Al Gore supporters and not for anti Gore, right wing nuts. This right wing nut's purpose is to tie up this forum and waste everyone's time refuting his many lies. I don't have the time to fight with this twisted jerk. The time that's being wasted fighting with this twisted jerk can be better spent convincing 50 more open minded people about our cause. It's clear this jerk isn't interested in the truth. He's just interested in disrupting our forum. So far you're falling for it hook line and sinker. Please wake up now.
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Post by JamesAquila on Jun 1, 2004 3:29:25 GMT -5
The AAR message will snuff itself out. And when that happens, instead of accepting failure, AAR, liberals, and you, will say it was some sort of conspiracy. Again you state you're opinion with out any facts to back it up. You're own hatred of liberal radio is clouding your judgement. Like most Cons its ideology first, reality last. Sounds like you are talking about TV, not syndicated radio. Stick to the correct medium. But that is besides the point. AAR has chosen a model whereby they pay to be put on radio stations. Ultimately this will fail because the message and their programming. Already, advertisers (GM is the first) are pulling the ads. You're trailer park education is showing. That has been the business model of all broadcast networks for the last 80 years. It was developed by William Paley back in the 1920s, when he started to pay local affiliates to air CBS programs to lure them away from NBC. The practice continiues to this day. And FYI they didn't have TV 80 years ago just radio. And Air America is not losing advertisers. GM was never an advertiser in the first place so it's not possible for them to pull out. Initially, there will be some attraction, as I said. It is something new that received a bunch of media attention. But the true test is once the media lights are turned off. And so far, there have been several telling missteps. All new entertainment enterprises have some missteps. But again you're letting you're own hatred of anything liberal give you delusions that you know what you're talking about.
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Post by Alfalfa Male on Jun 4, 2004 8:42:54 GMT -5
Alpha Male, your comparisons between WWII and Iraq are not only inaccurate, but insulting to anyone who fought in that war. To begin with, the United States did not enter that war until we were directly attacked, whereas Iraq was a pre-emptive war because we thought maybe we kinda shoulda been a bit afraid because this tyrant might perhaps, gee, I don't know, could possibly be some kinda threat to us down the road. In WWII, we didn't go to war because we wanted to; we went to war because we had to, to defend ourselves. We watched WWII play out in the European theater for a long time while Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin (all tyrants of far greater magnitude than Saddam Hussein) committed atrocities of the most horrible kind. It took a direct hit on Pearl Harbor for us to decide that it was time to risk the lives of Americans to save ourselves and the world. Also, let me ask you this question: Do you have any children? I have no idea how old you are, but would you risk the life of your own child for the mere purpose of freeing the Iraqi people of their tyrant? Would you consider it worthwhile for yourself to get killed so that Iraqis can be free of Saddam? I doubt it. There is tyranny all over the world. Americans cannot sacrifice their lives to make the world a better place for all people. We must first take care of ourselves, and only go to war if attacked. What of all the starving and homeless children right here in America? Think of all the good that could have been done for them if we weren't spending billions of dollars to feed and house Iraqis. Does this make sense? America has historically been an isolationist nation. George W. Bush has turned hundreds of years of American political tradition on its head to fight a pre-emptive, unnecessary war that hurts America while it helps the Iraqis. All parallels to WWII are bogus and ridiculous. ;D You are ignoring history in order to paint a picture that fits your agenda. Saddam was destablizing the mideast with his backing of anything anti-israel. He was a threat to the US with his backing of Al-Qieda. www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110005133Just as we took care of the european theater of operations before the pacific theater of operations, so to did we take care of afghanistan before we took care of saddam and Iraq. We must take of ourselves and not go to war until attacked? And what in hell do the hungry children have anything to do with this topic? So if we knew of an exact date and location of an attack on american interests, we should wait until that attack happens before responding? I hope that you didn't have relatives on the USS Cole, or in the Kobar towers, or in the WTC in 93. We sure attacked in response to thaose threats after the fact. There has been a war against the US for over 10 years, but we have not been at war in retaliation. We have been trying to appease, which HAS NOT WORKED! ;D Historically we have been isolationist, is true. In the 1930's. But we cannot and are not anymore. Welcome to the 21st century! It took a president who backed up his words with action! Don't take it from me, take it from your other hero, Bill. At that speech yesterday, check out what Clinton said about Bush: "If you go back and read what Bush said in the campaign, he's just doing what he said he'd do. ..." news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040604/us_nm/people_clinton_dc_8If my children were in the military, then yes I would back them up and support them 100%. You are of free will to join or not our military.
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Post by Tinkerbell on Jun 4, 2004 9:07:27 GMT -5
Not this Democrat. VP Gore took the words right out of my mouth. His criticism of this administration's horrific and outrageous behavior of troops under its command in Iraq was well deserved by this incompetent administration.
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Post by Alfalfa Male on Jun 4, 2004 9:11:59 GMT -5
Not this Democrat. VP Gore took the words right out of my mouth. His criticism of this administration's horrific and outrageous behavior of troops under its command in Iraq was well deserved by this incompetent administration. What has been done that is so "horrific and outrageous behavior of troops"? What has been asked of these soilders today is no different than what was asked of soilders of yesterday.
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