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Post by ErinB on Oct 11, 2003 10:38:27 GMT -5
Great reply Steve. I replied to it yesterday. There is another thread to this on the Media Watch Group section as well. I posted it on the AG dems site too so maybe some will reply from over there as well.
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Oct 11, 2003 13:42:41 GMT -5
Please got to the url below and scroll about a third of the way down. You will find "An Open Letter to the Clark Movement." At the bottom of that segment you will find a place called "Comments." So far 132 have commented. Three out of the last five have been favorable to Gore. Please keep this trend going by posting there! The Dean and Clark movements are filled with people who want Gore. Let's encourage them in that direction. I put my comments at the bottom of this post as you will find them on that thread. ~~~~ I am involved in the DraftGore movement and I did not appreciate the remark made about Al Gore in the original comment. Why is it his name always has to be brought up in a derogatory manner? This man served the American people for 25 years, and has sustained popular support among the American people. While Gen Clark may have been a good soldier, it takes more than that to run a country, and it will take the kind of heart, soul, passion, and commitment to the people that made Al Gore the people's president to accomplish what now needs to be done to bring this country back to the people. I truly believe some need to remember who actually DID win the last election. I am in the DraftGore movement because I love my country, and see him as the ONLY viable candidate to initiate the policies that will give our children a sustainable and prosperous future. It is truly the first time in my life that I have ever felt such an urgency, and to be a part of a movement like this that is working from the ground up, well, it only makes me so much more prouder to be an American. This is what it is all about, and should our goal be achieved which I believe it will be, Mr. Gore will then be able to run his campaign as he sees fit for the people, with me and countless others doing all we can for him and OUR COUNTRY. There is no room for EGO at a time like this. This is a time for working for America. Jan
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Post by Gorezilla on Oct 11, 2003 15:04:09 GMT -5
This is what I wrote: "Clark a better candidate than Gore? How so if Gore is the one with the solid 24 year record of political experience? How so if Gore is the solid Democrat who was raised in a party loyal family and not just became a Dem out of convenience? How so if Gore is the one who already beat Bush against the odds? If we want a real leader who is loved all over the world then I'd suggest to join the DraftGore movement, the first true Draft campaign that emerged in this election cycle. (December 2002) We need a uniter, not 9/10/9 dividers. Go Al Go! www.electgore04.comwww.algoresupportcenter.comwww.draftgore.com" Dennis
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Post by ErinB on Oct 28, 2003 20:47:35 GMT -5
Published on Saturday, October 25, 2003 by King Features Syndicate Gen. Wesley Clark's Compulsory Volunteerism by Charley Reese www.commondreams.org/views03/1025-04.htm American politics has become so dumbed down that no one seems to have picked up on the contradiction in Gen. Wesley Clark's proposal for a civilian reserve force. People who volunteered would sign up for five years and could be called to "active duty" by the president for up to six months. They could also be sent overseas. Compulsory volunteerism is, of course, a contradiction in terms. People have become confused because the alternative to a military draft is called an "all-volunteer" force rather than what it is, which is a mercenary force. That is acceptable use of the language. Nevertheless, it is misleading. What one does when one "volunteers" for military service is enlist in and join an organization. The instant you take the oath, you are required to obey orders. Like the sham democracies in some African countries, where people get to vote one time and then live under a dictatorship, you volunteer one time to join and thereafter are subject to compulsion. What the general is proposing is another military-style organization without uniforms or weapons. The general ought to watch the famous film of the Munich rally of the Nazi party. Adolf Hitler had the same idea. The film shows thousands of civilians standing at attention holding shovels. They were called, I believe, "labor battalions." Americans need to understand the difference between patriotism and nationalism. A patriot loves his land and his people. A nationalist loves his government. The patriot voluntarily does what is necessary to protect his land and his people. A nationalist blindly obeys his government. I'd be damned before I would allow my life to be disrupted because some American version of the Fuehrer decided that I needed to dig sewers in Haiti or paint schools in Iraq. I will never volunteer to be compelled to do anything. My concept of volunteerism is someone who does something of his own free will and is free to stop doing it whenever he decides to stop. Being compelled to volunteer is an Orwellian concept designed to put a false face on compulsion. In this age of neo-imperialism, Americans ought to remember that all citizens, including the president and every other public official, have but one duty: to obey the Constitution. The Constitution does not authorize a "Dear Leader" or a "Fuehrer." It authorizes us to elect a fellow citizen who will, for a four-year term, administer the federal government and enforce its laws. A man holding the office of the president is no different from any other citizen and is subject to the same laws as the rest of us. He is, despite his duty as commander in chief, a civilian, not a military person. The fact that modern presidents act like emperors, live in what has become a fortified palace and travel surrounded by Praetorian Guards should stand as a warning that we have strayed far from our American traditions. Do you know that after the recent United Nations meetings, the chancellor of Germany strolled out of the building and chatted with reporters on the sidewalks of New York? At the same time, the president, supposedly the leader of the free nation of America, was whisked out of the building surrounded by armed guards and hurried away in his armored limousine. Harry Truman, bless his memory, was the last American president who understood that we are a republic, not an empire. He took his morning walks on the streets of Washington, even after Puerto Rican nationalists attempted to storm Blair House (where Truman was staying while the White House was being renovated) and assassinate him. He bought his own stamps and stationery so that if he wanted to write a personal letter, he wouldn't have to use the public's stationery. As his term was ending, he refused all the offers of corporate directorships, telling the moguls: "You don't want me, you want the presidency, and that's not mine to sell. It belongs to the American people." We already have one guy in the White House with pretentious and false ideas of grandeur. We don't need an ex-general with an even bigger ego as a replacement. If you want to do close-order drill with a paintbrush and a shovel, that's your business, but it's definitely not for me. Don't forget to click your heels when you salute. © 2003 by King Features Syndicate, Inc. HE'S NO HARRY TRUMAN
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Post by TheParaclete on Oct 28, 2003 21:43:50 GMT -5
I agree with Jan. a lot of Deanies and Clark Supporters are REALLY ex-Gore supporters that were just discouraged because he will not commit to the race publicly! And THAT is why I keep egging him on! Come on Mr. Gore. DO YOUR DUTY! All will have to follow you! Even Clark & Dean! Under AL GORE ALL of The 12 Apostles of Democracy will WORK! They would do it happily if they ALL know BU$H has NO CHANCE OF WINNING!Want to watch BU$H, CHENEY, ROVE & ASHCROFT "wet their pants"? Just let AL RUN AGAIN! When they see him coming with ALL 12 of the Apostles and us behind him as well, they will HIGH TAIL IT OUT OF DODGE! No matter what, I SUPPORT MR.GORE IN ALL OF HIS ENDEAVORS! To me he IS THE LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IN EXILE! Want ot see CHEERING & LAUGHING Mr Gore! Want to SEE people dropping to their knees & thanking God Almighty in TEARS? JUST RUN FOR PRESIDENT! THE CHAMPAIGN BOTTLES WILL POP OPEN & THE BIGGEST WELCOME BACK PARTY YOU EVER SAW WILL HAPPEN! BUT THAT PARTY WILL NOT BE COMPLETE UNTIL WE BRING BACK OUR TROOPS BY MARCHING ON WASHINGTON! WE ARE READY MR. GORE! WE WILL MARCH WITH YOU! I AM SURE EVEN GENERAL CLARK AND DR. DEAN WILL JOIN US! THEY HAVE WORK TO DO TOO! Sorry but every time I think of us marching up to the White House Together, I just get Carried Away!
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Oct 29, 2003 9:16:22 GMT -5
I agree with Jan. a lot of Deanies and Clark Supporters are REALLY ex-Gore supporters that were just discouraged because he will not commit to the race publicly! And THAT is why I keep egging him on! Come on Mr. Gore. DO YOUR DUTY! All will have to follow you! Even Clark & Dean! Under AL GORE ALL of The 12 Apostles of Democracy will WORK! They would do it happily if they ALL know BU$H has NO CHANCE OF WINNING! Yes, I do believe that many of those who flocked to Dean just did so because Al Gore decided he wasn't going to run. They are not Dean to the core, they are really Gore supporters who would jump back in a heartbeat if Al Gore should give us that Christmas present, Paraclete. Like you, I continue to wait and hope. Jan
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Post by GSC Admin on Jan 22, 2004 21:02:18 GMT -5
Ok, I just lost a lot of respect for Clark. He has been criticizing Kerry all week about being "just a llieutenant", and in a debate tonight was asked if Micheal Moore's claim of Bush being a "deserter" was a legit claim. Clark said he did not know of anything about Bush's service but has heard those claims. Clark is supposed to be some macho man, he criticizes a war hero, but then does not have the guts to admit the facts and tell the people that the president was AWOl. Good job "General"!
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Jan 23, 2004 9:01:35 GMT -5
Ok, I just lost a lot of respect for Clark. He has been criticizing Kerry all week about being "just a llieutenant", and in a debate tonight was asked if Micheal Moore's claim of Bush being a "deserter" was a legit claim. Clark said he did not know of anything about Bush's service but has heard those claims. Clark is supposed to be some macho man, he criticizes a war hero, but then does not have the guts to admit the facts and tell the people that the president was AWOl. Good job "General"! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Clark is the DLC pick. What else would he say? Jan
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Jan 23, 2004 9:19:37 GMT -5
Ok, I just lost a lot of respect for Clark. He has been criticizing Kerry all week about being "just a llieutenant", and in a debate tonight was asked if Micheal Moore's claim of Bush being a "deserter" was a legit claim. Clark said he did not know of anything about Bush's service but has heard those claims. Clark is supposed to be some macho man, he criticizes a war hero, but then does not have the guts to admit the facts and tell the people that the president was AWOl. Good job "General"! >>>>>> I am quoting your post again, Chris, because you lead in beautifully to this. Everyone should watch this in its entirety, including Wesley Clark. www.takebackthemedia.org/chickenhawks.htmlJan
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Post by Vigilante4Gore on Mar 20, 2004 22:03:23 GMT -5
Al Gore for president, Wesley Clark for VP is the Dream Team 2004! Dream on! If anyone can state in 3-5 paragraphs how this is even possible. I will give them prime location on my site. I will even give blood from my right arm.
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Post by mtman on Jun 3, 2004 20:19:32 GMT -5
clark would be an awesome VP for Kerry, in my opinion. even though you'd have a 'leutenant' as a boss for a 'general' - i think Clark is level headed enough to allow himself to sit in the passenger seat.
i think this would help to get swing votes - actually i'm surprised clark didn't win the primary - but i think because he got in at the last minute - and didn't get a head start like kerry did. also clark can be a bit underbearing at times even though i am sure he's plenty qualified when it would come to actually being president.
mtman
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