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Post by VoteTalk on Mar 28, 2004 15:39:54 GMT -5
kerry voters are sheeple. I voted for John Kerry. |
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Post by VoteTalk on Mar 28, 2004 15:43:25 GMT -5
I think the reason Al endorsed Dean is because he felt Dean would lose to Bush, and leave the 2008 race wide open. Al was thinking about the future, not the 2004 race. If he wasn't, he would have endorsed Joe Lieberman, which he really should have done.
Dean is a good man, but he would have been dominated in the general election. Like him or not, John Kerry is the guy that can take Bush out in November.
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Post by earthmother on Mar 28, 2004 15:54:07 GMT -5
Many of us here don't agree with that opinion.
Speaking for myself, I'm not at all convinced that Kerry can beat Bush.
I also don't believe that Gore endorsed Dean because he thought he would lose and was thinking ahead to 2008. If that were the case, there were many others who'd have been a safer bet to lose the race and still look respectable. Remember that Dean was the frontrunner at the time of Gore's endorsement, so I don't think there's any support for that argument.
I don't get the sense you were ever a Gore supporter. That's your prerogative, of course, but most of the people on this forum were Gore supporters first and remain so, and are supporting Kerry now only because Gore isn't running and Kerry is.
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Post by GSC Admin on Mar 28, 2004 16:09:39 GMT -5
Gore supported Dean because he had the ideals and activism that Gore likes. He oppossed the war and stood up to the President before anyone else did. He also energized the party by using the internet as a powerful campaign tool. There are a handful of reasons Gore endorsed Dean, looking ahead to 2008 is not one of the them.
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Post by VoteTalk on Mar 28, 2004 16:57:31 GMT -5
Many of us here don't agree with that opinion. Speaking for myself, I'm not at all convinced that Kerry can beat Bush. I also don't believe that Gore endorsed Dean because he thought he would lose and was thinking ahead to 2008. If that were the case, there were many others who'd have been a safer bet to lose the race and still look respectable. Remember that Dean was the frontrunner at the time of Gore's endorsement, so I don't think there's any support for that argument. I don't get the sense you were ever a Gore supporter. That's your prerogative, of course, but most of the people on this forum were Gore supporters first and remain so, and are supporting Kerry now only because Gore isn't running and Kerry is. I understand that many folks see it another way, but I've got to tell you, I know many Democrats, and very few had a lot of support for Howard. His surge was largely due to a huge grassroots campaign, and the net. But when real voters got a good look at him, they looked elsewhere. It was sad how quickly he fell, but he ran the best campaign he could. It's hard to call someone the front-runner when they hadn't had any state elections yet. When it came down to voting, the people turned away from Howard, and that was before the media became so brutal with his Iowa speech. Al won the last election, there is nobody that can convince me otherwise. However, he's not running this time, and Kerry is the nominee. I think Gore is one of the best political leaders the Democrats have EVER had, and I support him in his choice to stay out of the race. Kerry is our nominee now, and we need to support him or give up. You're wrong, I did support Al in 2000, and if he ever runs again I'll support him then. But, if you do think about it, Al's best chance to become president was if the Dem. nominee loses to Bush and leaves the '08 race open. After that, the country would be so sick of Dubya the GOP would get killed in a general election. I feel Al saw that, and decided to support the "guy of the moment", and wait and see what happens. |
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Post by earthmother on Mar 28, 2004 17:08:48 GMT -5
Sorry I read you wrong about not being a Gore person. I meant no offense. And I know many people here agree with you that now that Kerry is the nominee, we have to get behind him. I'm having some trouble doing that, personally, but I will vote for him in November.
I still don't agree, however, that Gore did what he did as a strictly political maneuver to get in place for 2008. He has to have known what a gamble that would be, and now, I don't think the people will wait until 2008 to show how sick they are of Bush--I think they will very likely send him packing in November.
Of course, that depends so much on what happens between now and then: Will they find OBL? Will the economy improve (or will they do magic tricks to make it looks as if it has)? Will they weasle out of their responsibility for 9/11 in the public eye? Will there be a peaceful transition of power in Iraq? Will they destroy Kerry and make people believe the lies they're spinning about him? It all remains to be seen. But I'd like to think that Gore didn't sit this one out just because he thought he couldn't win it.
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Post by GoreLeadership on Apr 15, 2004 10:12:49 GMT -5
Gore endorsed Dean for the exact reasons he stated.. Lets not make up stories to get Kerry into the WH.. His record alone is frightening to any able thinking person..What does he actually stand for?? ;D ;D ;D  He doesn't take a stand on anything until he analyzes the polls first. Is this leadership? Why must people demand an answer or position from Kerry before he FINALLY STATES ONE? ;D This should be "second nature" to him if its in his gut, heart and mind. Wouldn't you agree? -GoreLeadership |
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Post by Dreamweaver on Apr 27, 2004 11:07:40 GMT -5
Hi. Just want to say that it is nice to find place to talk with fellow democrats. I am amazed that Howard Dean's screech could wipe out all his chances while the crowds continue to hail to the thief in Gore's house with all his speech impairments. People hear what they want to hear and deny the rest. I continue to hope for a miracle in 2004. Anyone ready to campaign if one happens? So what if a miracle does happen, then what?
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Post by earthmother on Apr 27, 2004 11:12:42 GMT -5
 Hello, Dreamweaver! Where have you been all our lives? You ask what we'll do if a miracle happens in 2004. That all depends on what miracle you're referring to. The main miracle people here have been working toward is somehow getting Gore nominated in July. Is that what you're referring to? If so, rest assured that many millions of people would be mobilized to campaign for him so he'd win in November. No doubt about it. Some of us are still working toward that goal, others have dropped by the wayside because it seems unattainable. But if you're a Gore supporter, you've come to the right place, and we welcome you with open arms.
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