Restore the President Petition

[GoreLeadership]

www.petitiononline.com/ag2004op/petition.html


PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION

-GoreLeadership

[ErinB]

Sonja! Thanks for posting this here..you beat me to it!!

As things get worse and worse in Iraq and the very liberties we hold dear seem to be slipping away, we need to hold out hope that things can get better and never let people forget who the real President is and what we have lost.

[JamesAquila]

Not to rain on anyone's parade, the sentiments of this petition is good but unrealistic.

Congress does not have the authority under the constitution to remove one man from the Presidency and install another man in his place. Bush would have to be impeached which would mean Dick Cheney would become President. Even if Bush and Cheney were both removed the next person in line would be the Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert.

Even if the congress did have this power, the term of the 2000 election ends in 9 months. Not much time for Gore to fix the damage that Bush has done in the last 3 years.

The Constitution does give the people the ability to remove a bad President. It's called an election and there is a Constitutionally required election this November. Even if Gore was installed as President now, he would still not be the Democratic Nominee because millions of Democrats have voted for John Kerry to be the nominee in 2004. To replace him now would be disenfranchising the votes of all those people in the primaries.

Engergies would be better expended to defeat Bush in November along was as many Republican Senators and Representives as possible. Not in signing a petition that is not only a waste of time but unconstitutional as well.

[ErinB]

James, there is nothing you can do or say that can rain on this parade. It has been deluged with buckets of water from the get go.
As for the petition, what have we got to lose?

All we can do is learn to swim.

"Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming."

[GoreLeadership]

ErinB,

Love your outlook on things!!
I say that very thing to my children too

Making a statement is important and even if
there is just a few of us, we will feel good knowing
someone received our words and petition for change

-GoreLeadership

[JamesAquila]

ErinB said:

As for the petition, what have we got to lose?

Just my hopes for Gore supporters to become a serious political force instead of a lunatic fringe tilting at windmills.

[Julia]

Yawn........I can't sleep. Ever wake up in the middle of the night and find yourself drawn here? Could the state of the world be just a little unsettling to us all right now? I was wondering if anyone that's got some political science background would be willing to look at the idea surrounding this petition with some constructive feedback. Is there any legal kind of thing that could be carried forth by the people? Or is it the consensus of the people that come to this forum that this is Don Coyote-ish and only worthy of crushing and bashing? People taking action is what the goal is here. Is it so wrong of an idea that the whole thing gets thrown out as hogwash? yawn.....

[JamesAquila]

Julia said:

Yawn........I can't sleep. Ever wake up in the middle of the night and find yourself drawn here? Could the state of the world be just a little unsettling to us all right now? I was wondering if anyone that's got some political science background would be willing to look at the idea surrounding this petition with some constructive feedback. Is there any legal kind of thing that could be carried forth by the people? Or is it the consensus of the people that come to this forum that this is Don Coyote-ish and only worthy of crushing and bashing? People taking action is what the goal is here. Is it so wrong of an idea that the whole thing gets thrown out as hogwash? yawn.....

If you read my original post, the whole petition is not constitutionally viable. Congress does not have the authority to remove one man as President and install another in his place.
There is a legal option that can be carried forth by the people. It's called an election and there is one in 6 months.
And you're right taking action is the goal here. So why don't we take action that has a chance of succeeding instead of wasting time on something that is not constitutionally viable.

[GoreLeadership]

I know about others- but I certainly can do two things as once... ??

As for constitutionality, are you law educated? Even so, the power does not lie with you anyway.. It lies within all of us and what each of us decide to do is for our power we hold within..

You choose to vote for Kerry and be excited about that prospect... I choose to sign this petition in hopes no-one will forget the wrongs of 2000 AND will vote for the one who will be most fit in 2004..

But to be honest, Kerry is not something to write home about!!

-GoreLeadership

[SonOfLiberty1]

Hello All - Never thought I'd hear myself say this: I agree with James on his points. No matter how much we might want it, Congress couldn't (and definitely wouldn't) remove a president once he's in office unless he committed some kind of crime against law or the Constitution. Especially this close to an election. Bush would have to be formally impeached. And that means CHENEY. Two wrongs don't make a right. Besides, how long does an impeachment take? More than 6 months?

I believe that the Supreme Court, in their hearts, know they erred in 2000. Just after that debacle they had another case involving states rights and an election (although I can't remember which one) and they refused to consider it, saying states rights took precedence. Now if that were the case, why didn't they just reverse themselves on the Gore election? Probably because it would cause a huge constitutional mess, and which one of them would want to be the first to decide the issue of what happens when the wrong president gets into office.

Now, having said this, what option do we have left to get our man into his rightful office? Not a petition, I think.

I believe that most democrats, if you ask them to seriously think from their hearts, believe that Kerry is not the best choice to be president. I've said this before: ALL THE POLLS during the primary said that people were choosing Kerry because he was the BEST CHOICE TO BEAT BUSH AVAILABLE OUT OF MANY WORSE CHOICES. I also think that if Al decided he really wanted it everyone would prefer him, especially the all-important super delegates who are free to change their votes at the convention. A problem though: now that Kerry has campaigned and raised all that money to become the next president, whether he should be or not, why would any loyal democrat try to unseat him?

Unless Al decides to fight for his right to the office this year, Kerry won't lose the nomination. No way in hell. He's the only choice available to get Bush the hell out of town. Right?

Forget a petition -- Since Kerry is out there raising all that money, and Al isn't, what we should be doing is concentrating all our energy on the only possibility we still have left: finding a way to convince all those glorious super delegates out there to change their minds, or abstain from the first vote, force a second vote, and convince Al that the people really want him and no one else. If this can be done, Kerry could be AL's vice president and all his money could go to the formal fight to oust Bush. Also, GORE/KERRY would be a northern vice president and the all-important southern president. Forget Kerry/Edwards. Edwards still doesn't have enough experience to step into the office in case of a tragedy.

So I say GORE/KERRY. Go out there boys and girls, round up all them super delegates, hit 'em over the head to get their attention, and say, "What are you all thinking anyway? Do you REALLY want to get rid of Bush or not? SECOND VOTE, GORE/KERRY!!"

Thanks for listening - Thom

[ErinB]

Sounds like a plan, Thom. If only the Superdelegates could be convinced to do this.

James, I'm not one to spar or go back and forth with people about things and I realize the possibility of this petition working has a fraction of the chance a snowball has of making it through the fires of hell.

Yet, if it will make the rounds on the net and even make one person realize the gravity of denying our duly elected President the office the people elected him to it will be more than worth it.

And some will laugh, yes..and put their thumb and forefinger against their forehead in the shape of an L.

[JamesAquila]

GoreLeadership said:

I know about others- but I certainly can do two things as once... ??

As for constitutionality, are you law educated? Even so, the power does not lie with you anyway.. It lies within all of us and what each of us decide to do is for our power we hold within..

You choose to vote for Kerry and be excited about that prospect... I choose to sign this petition in hopes no-one will forget the wrongs of 2000 AND will vote for the one who will be most fit in 2004..

But to be honest, Kerry is not something to write home about!!

-GoreLeadership

You're right Kerry is not something to write home about but he is what we've got right now. Nader supporters in 2000 didn't think Gore was something to write home about and they threw the election to Bush with their Nader votes.

I'm suggesting that we not do the same. All that will accomplish is four more years of the criminal Bush administration.

And as far as the constitution, I never said the power lies in me. It lies in the constitution. Would you care to quote the provision that allows the Congress to remove a sitting President and install someone other then the Vice President in his place? Or maybe the section that allows Congress to suspend the legally mandated election this November?

[JamesAquila]

SonOfLiberty1 said:

Hello All - Never thought I'd hear myself say this: I agree with James on his points. No matter how much we might want it, Congress couldn't (and definitely wouldn't) remove a president once he's in office unless he committed some kind of crime against law or the Constitution. Especially this close to an election. Bush would have to be formally impeached. And that means CHENEY. Two wrongs don't make a right. Besides, how long does an impeachment take? More than 6 months?

I believe that the Supreme Court, in their hearts, know they erred in 2000. Just after that debacle they had another case involving states rights and an election (although I can't remember which one) and they refused to consider it, saying states rights took precedence. Now if that were the case, why didn't they just reverse themselves on the Gore election? Probably because it would cause a huge constitutional mess, and which one of them would want to be the first to decide the issue of what happens when the wrong president gets into office.

Now, having said this, what option do we have left to get our man into his rightful office? Not a petition, I think.

I believe that most democrats, if you ask them to seriously think from their hearts, believe that Kerry is not the best choice to be president. I've said this before: ALL THE POLLS during the primary said that people were choosing Kerry because he was the BEST CHOICE TO BEAT BUSH AVAILABLE OUT OF MANY WORSE CHOICES. I also think that if Al decided he really wanted it everyone would prefer him, especially the all-important super delegates who are free to change their votes at the convention. A problem though: now that Kerry has campaigned and raised all that money to become the next president, whether he should be or not, why would any loyal democrat try to unseat him?

Unless Al decides to fight for his right to the office this year, Kerry won't lose the nomination. No way in hell. He's the only choice available to get Bush the hell out of town. Right?

Forget a petition -- Since Kerry is out there raising all that money, and Al isn't, what we should be doing is concentrating all our energy on the only possibility we still have left: finding a way to convince all those glorious super delegates out there to change their minds, or abstain from the first vote, force a second vote, and convince Al that the people really want him and no one else. If this can be done, Kerry could be AL's vice president and all his money could go to the formal fight to oust Bush. Also, GORE/KERRY would be a northern vice president and the all-important southern president. Forget Kerry/Edwards. Edwards still doesn't have enough experience to step into the office in case of a tragedy.

So I say GORE/KERRY. Go out there boys and girls, round up all them super delegates, hit 'em over the head to get their attention, and say, "What are you all thinking anyway? Do you REALLY want to get rid of Bush or not? SECOND VOTE, GORE/KERRY!!"

Thanks for listening - Thom

I agree with you completely. And I think you're completely right when you say that if Gore had run he would have won the nomination hands down.
But the only way a second vote would happen at this point would be if something came out about Kerry so damaging that he could not be the nominee or if he fell suddenly ill and pulled out. It is a shame that Dean or Edwards or Clark had not done better in the primaries to make it a real race to the convention. But regardless of what happens not, even if Kerry were to die on the eve of the convention, the only way Gore would get the nomination is if he stood up and said he wanted it. And I really don't think that he does.

[JamesAquila]

ErinB said:

Sounds like a plan, Thom. If only the Superdelegates could be convinced to do this.

James, I'm not one to spar or go back and forth with people about things and I realize the possibility of this petition working has a fraction of the chance a snowball has of making it through the fires of hell.

Yet, if it will make the rounds on the net and even make one person realize the gravity of denying our duly elected President the office the people elected him to it will be more than worth it.

And some will laugh, yes..and put their thumb and forefinger against their forehead in the shape of an L.

Dean and his supporters are now trying to reinvent themselves to become a political force in the party and the country. It is a shame that the same couldn't have happened with Gore's supporters. Instead we are looking more and more like LaRouche supporters wasting our times on useless excercises rather than taking action that might make a difference.