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Post by EnemyCombatant on Jan 28, 2004 18:30:37 GMT -5
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Post by EnemyCombatant on Jan 28, 2004 19:09:15 GMT -5
I wonder what happens when Dean fires Gore.  |
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Post by PaulaB on Jan 28, 2004 19:48:30 GMT -5
WOW I find this rather surprising, it seemed that Gore had backed away from Dean after IA, since he was no where in site during Dean's big fight in NH. It does seem rather late in the game to do something like this since Dean will need to win at least one state next week. I feel rather sorry for Trippi (although you never know what goes on inside)since it seemed the problem with the Dean campaign had little to do with Trippi and more to do with the candidate himself. It is rather strange, and I agree Tangy it is alittle like being in the Twilight Zone....  Paula ![]() jabberwoq.com/images/emoticons/soapbox.gif[/img] |
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Post by earthmother on Jan 28, 2004 21:21:14 GMT -5
Maybe Gore is getting his people in so everything's in place when Dean pulls out of the race? And maybe the people of Palm Beach County really did want Pat Buchanan as their president in 2000? And maybe Dorothy and Toto really did visit a land called Oz?  Well, I really don't mean to sound facetious here. It's all part of my big fantasy. Ya see, Dean starts to do poorly, he pulls out of the race just before the big supersweeps in March and frees all his delegates to go to Gore, Gore jumps in just in time to grab a bunch of delegates for himself, and folks . . . we're on our way to a Gore White House! Hey, I can dream, can't I? |
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Post by Dolphins4Gore on Jan 28, 2004 21:26:28 GMT -5
I'm dreaming the same dream Earthmomma and I'm praying it becomes our reality.  [glow=red,2,300]I SAID GET IN PRESIDENT GORE! GET IN![/glow]  |
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Post by earthmother on Jan 28, 2004 22:10:03 GMT -5
Everybody, sing now (to the tune of White Xmas) . . .
I'm dreaming of a Gore White House,
Just like the one we should have had.
Where our rights are protected,
The world still respects us,
And peace reigns from Kandahar to Baghdad.
I'm dreaming of a Gore White House,
Where Bush and Cheney don't reside.
There'll be children singing,
and churchbells ringing,
And Americans again bursting with pride.
I'm dreaming of a Gore White House,
Where all Americans are employed.
Where we all have health care,
No corporate welfare,
And our freedom is thoroughly enjoyed.
[feel free to add to it, and let's keep the spirit going, peeps!]
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Jan 28, 2004 22:43:46 GMT -5
Maybe Gore is getting his people in so everything's in place when Dean pulls out of the race? And maybe the people of Palm Beach County really did want Pat Buchanan as their president in 2000? And maybe Dorothy and Toto really did visit a land called Oz? Well, I really don't mean to sound facetious here. It's all part of my big fantasy. Ya see, Dean starts to do poorly, he pulls out of the race just before the big supersweeps in March and frees all his delegates to go to Gore, Gore jumps in just in time to grab a bunch of delegates for himself, and folks . . . we're on our way to a Gore White House! Hey, I can dream, can't I? Interesting events taking place, eh? And sure you can dream! I'm dreaming too. GET IN MR. PRESIDENT! Jan |
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Jan 28, 2004 22:50:42 GMT -5
Everybody, sing now (to the tune of White Xmas) . . . I'm dreaming of a Gore White House, Just like the one we should have had. Where our rights are protected, The world still respects us, And peace reigns from Kandahar to Baghdad. I'm dreaming of a Gore White House, Where Bush and Cheney don't reside. There'll be children singing, and churchbells ringing, And Americans again bursting with pride. I'm dreaming of a Gore White House, Where all Americans are employed. Where we all have health care, No corporate welfare, And our freedom is thoroughly enjoyed. [feel free to add to it, and let's keep the spirit going, peeps!] I like this idea! I'm dreaming of a Gore White House Where all Americans are free. Where our peace we take back, There's no more PNAC, And no more Bushes far as the eye can see ;-) Jan |
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Post by PaulaB on Jan 28, 2004 22:54:23 GMT -5
OK so on MSNBC tonight I heard them say the Gore himself will be the new CEO of the Dean campaign. I don't know if that it true, as they said they had gotten it from a source close to the Dean campaign.  www.twilightzone.org/index2.html Paula  |
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Post by modom5 on Jan 28, 2004 23:32:35 GMT -5
What the Heck is going on here? Hopefully we will see Gore before long! Howard just keeps getting the Gore people? Do you really think it is possible for Dean to turn over his delegates to Al Gore? Gosh, I hope so. I will just keep on hoping! Never give up.
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Post by EnemyCombatant on Jan 29, 2004 9:08:35 GMT -5
I have been in the twilight zone for a while now.
It all started back with that Dean endorsement.
Then Gore gets Harkin and Carter and maybe Braun to endorse Dean.
Then Kerry wins Iowa while Gephardt gets 11%.
Then Gore evades Dean in NH.
Then Gore gets 0 write-in votes in NH.
Now Gore is Dean's campaign manager.
Like I said. Dean is a loose-loose situation for Gore.
Why is Gore supporting this draft dodging, non-Presidential, undersized conservative that doesn't think before he speaks?
I know, you don't know the answer either. And those status quo answers don't work for me either, so don't bother. For me, this is a rhetorical question.
Anyway, it's all quite interesting.
Next thing you know, Nader will be campaigning with Dean.
Now why wouldn't that surprise me?
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Jan 29, 2004 9:11:38 GMT -5
I have been in the twilight zone for a while now. It all started back with that Dean endorsement. Then Gore gets Harkin and Carter and maybe Braun to endorse Dean. Then Kerry wins Iowa while Gephardt gets 11%. Then Gore evades Dean in NH. Then Gore gets 0 write-in votes in NH. Now Gore is Dean's campaign manager. Like I said. Dean is a loose-loose situation for Gore. Why is Gore supporting this draft dodging, non-Presidential, undersized conservative that doesn't think before he speaks? I know, you don't know the answer either. And those status quo answers don't work for me either, so don't bother. For me, this is a rhetorical question. Anyway, it's all quite interesting. Next thing you know, Nader will be campaigning with Dean. Now why wouldn't that surprise me? Gore got votes in NH, I'm sure of it. There is no way he didn't get any. They just weren't allowed to be announced. I intend to try to find out who got those 1271 votes in "other." Yes, the events of late are all strange, but I hope they lead to the best result: A Gore candidacy. Jan Jan |
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Post by Tinkerbell on Jan 29, 2004 12:18:56 GMT -5
Yes. If Dean should go down in the up coming primaries in February, I am predicting here [and dreaming and hoping like the rest of you on this board] that Al will jump in the race before super Tuesday and Dean will drop out, eventually releasing his delegates to Gore.
You bet your a** Gore got some write-ins in NH. Without mentioning any names here, a lot of powerful people do not want Al to run because they know what we have been saying for over a year now - that Al Gore is the only person who can unseat Bush in 2004.
If Kerry's successes seem strange and unexpected to you, that is because they are. Please consider this. The repugs are sabotaging the Democratic primaries as we speak by changing their party affiliation to Democrat or Independent for the primaries for the purpose of voting in a Democratic nominee that they know will be trounced by the GOP nominee in November. This election year, republican primaries are non-existent because Bush has no credible competition. So this is a perfect opportunity for the repugs to change parties and sabotage the Democratic primary outcome and then revert back to repugs for the general election. I know for a fact that this is happening because my husband, who at one time supported the repgus - that is - until he met me, was asked to do this very party swapping thing. So please consider that some of Kerry's primary votes were bogus, due to the fact they were cast by repugs hoping to sabotage the Democratic primaries.
I have some answers for you. I don't know if they will completely satisfy you, but here goes:
While Howard Dean certainly has his faults, he is basically a good guy who, like many of us, is outraged at the injustices and lies perpetrated by this current administration. He decided that change was needed at the top and decided to make a run for the presidency, hoping his 5 or 6 terms as Governor of Vermont and some real democratic straight talk would be enough to propel him to the top. Along the way, and to his credit, he was able to attract a young, techie crowd whose skills on the internet allowed him to build a political infrastructure which was able to turn his organization into a money making machine, which is needed in order to run a competitive presidential campaign. Dean was and is smart enough to seek out the advise of the master, Al Gore. The political views of Al Gore best match the views of Howard Dean. I suspect that is one of the reasons why Gore endorsed Dean. Another reason is that Gore wanted to officially disassociate himself from the DLC, which he previously helped form. Dean and Gore are true Democrats. Why did Gore endorse Dean instead of becoming a declared candidate himself? I can only guess here: Gore was shunned by the Democratic Party establishment. Without their support, Gore had no choice but to drop out of the race. Enter Howard Dean. With Dean's political organization and money making machine in place - this is what Gore sees as necessary to win back the White House and the country in 2004. Gore endorses Dean. But Dean is green in certain critical areas such as foreign policy and seeks out the help of the master, Al Gore. Hats off to Dean - if he is able to pull it off and get nominated on the first ballot. If that were the case, then Gore would certainly make a good VP for Dean. But many powerful people are threatened by the Dean candidacy, which they know is being driven by Al Gore. They want Dean [and Gore] out of the running in the worse way. Enter John Kerry whose campaign before the Iowa caucus was just about dead on the grapevine. Looks like the Kerry folks decided to get a little help from their friends - their DLC/GOP friends. So the repugs, enmass, changed party affiliations in Iowa and in the NH primaries, knocking Dean out and making Kerry the Democratic front runner. Don’t believe for a minute that Kerry can beat Bush. A lot of his votes in the primaries are republican votes that will be Bush votes come November. Believe you me, there is a fight going on here behind the scenes and Al Gore is in the thick of it. The fight is between Al Gore, a true Democrat and the Clintonistas, repugs in disguise. Now things are starting to get interesting. It now looks as if Dean has been successfully beaten back by the DLC camp. If he is, Dean, being the decent person that he is, will acknowledge defeat and drop out of the race because he really has the best interest of the country and people at heart. Enter Al Gore who also has the best interest of the country and the people at heart. If Dean drops out, supposedly, he would release his delegates, his political infrastructure and money making machine to Al Gore. If that happens Al Gore won’t need the DNC / DLC for financial support. He has the Dean money making machine, hopefully with the blessings of Dean and all of his supporters. Initially, when I heard that Gore was endorsing Howard Dean, I always maintained that could be a way for Gore to come in the back door. And the way things are unfolding, it appears that may be a realistic possibility You know, us hard-core Gore supporters may just get the last laugh after all.
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Post by ErinB on Jan 29, 2004 12:37:57 GMT -5
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Post by earthmother on Jan 29, 2004 13:19:14 GMT -5
Oh, Erin, you're always so damned rational! But that's why we love you--you always see the loopholes in things, and we need that. Sadly, it's a good question. And as I think of it, you're probably right. No, he wouldn't have time. Those deadlines have already expired for many states. I guess Dean's timing would be critical here, although I suspect it's already too late.
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