Julia
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GO GET HIM AL GORE!
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Post by Julia on Mar 2, 2004 22:18:13 GMT -5
Could there be any more of an unfair, totally confusing election process than this one in America? I worked my ever living butt off and I didn't get to vote! Even if I had, it would have been the end of April, basically after lots of candidates that I would have wanted to vote for no longer are in it? Why do Iowa and New Hampshire always get to go first and basically set the whole selection process singlehandedly? Why is it left wide open so that if one party wanted to, they could first register as the opposite party, vote for whoever they prefer to oppose, then have plenty of time to jump back over and vote for thier side? Why do we have to a system that is so deeply confusing that the average citizen can not possibly grasp it? And I haven't even touched on the electoral part of it. Why? Can someone explain it? I doubt it. That must be why it's still here, huh.
Gee, I wonder why no one bothers to vote? How about, the system doesn't allow enough people into the selection process, its too complicated, and its too easily corruptible. To avoid a ton of wasted effort, time, money, and anguish, one just might become apathetic.
A Pathetic Process!
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Mar 2, 2004 22:33:17 GMT -5
Could there be any more of an unfair, totally confusing election process than this one in America? I worked my ever living butt off and I didn't get to vote! Even if I had, it would have been the end of April, basically after lots of candidates that I would have wanted to vote for no longer are in it? Why do Iowa and New Hampshire always get to go first and basically set the whole selection process singlehandedly? Why is it left wide open so that if one party wanted to, they could first register as the opposite party, vote for whoever they prefer to oppose, then have plenty of time to jump back over and vote for thier side? Why do we continue to tolerate a system that is so deeply confusing that the average citizen can not possibly grasp it? And I haven't even touched on the electoral part of it. Why? Can someone explain it? I doubt it. That must be why it's still here, huh. I have to agree, this process is very unfair. Also, the media saying tonight that Kerry is the nominee. They haven't even had the freakin convention yet! And yet, these same Democrats who called the Bush followers sheep and locksteppers, will now expect all Democrats to just support Skull and Bones Kerry like good little sheep, totally dismissing the right man right in front of their eyes. What a sad day, but fortunately, we are still here and we WILL keep going. I don't give a damn what Kerry does, or if Edwards drops out. We will persevere in doing whatever we can to get the word out that there is STILL a choice. To me, it is obvious that Republicans crossed over and registered as Democrats in these primaries to vote for Kerry. Bush even called to congratulate him tonight. I wonder what the Skull and Bones brothers said to each other behind the scenes. The DLC must be in Nirvana. I hope they are as happy should Kerry lose. I am thoroughly disillusioned with the Democratic party right now. There were also reports that these touchscreen voting machines failed in two states today. I simply wonder who cheated. Democracy as we knew it is dead in America, and yet the Democrats cheer Kerry as if nothing is wrong. Like sheep being led to the slaughter. That is why we simply must not give up. Jan |
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Julia
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GO GET HIM AL GORE!
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Post by Julia on Mar 3, 2004 16:25:06 GMT -5
Alright, alright, so I admit that we can't just make another goal in this forum to change the whole voting process. But holy cow, I didn't even touch on the complexity of the electoral college, and campaign finance (lackof)rules that allow widescale kickbacks and inequalities, let alone those billion dollar (supposed trusted) voting machines that still don't leave an audit trail. Good grief folks, could it really be any more of a P-POOR process? I don't see how. So, maybe this isn't quite the right place or time to try to solve this whole nightmare, but it sure is the right time to take a look at what is a GI-GOON-DAH problem that has us by the whatevers.
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Post by Tinkerbell on Mar 3, 2004 19:04:59 GMT -5
If you read the thread "new strategy' under 'Al Gore and the 2004 election talk', I suggest that the Draft Gore people work with the Dean people. It would double our numbers and, collectively, we could strategize how to take back the party of the people and our country. I don't know about any of you, but it does not sit well with me that Kerry was hand-picked by the DLC, the media, and the 'skull and bones' crowd. Nothing is going to change unless we the people demand it. I am going to try and attend the next Dean meetup in my area. I think if we are persistent, we can make a difference.
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Mar 4, 2004 7:38:04 GMT -5
If you read the thread "new strategy' under 'Al Gore and the 2004 election talk', I suggest that the Draft Gore people work with the Dean people. It would double our numbers and, collectively, we could strategize how to take back the party of the people and our country. I don't know about any of you, but it does not sit well with me that Kerry was hand-picked by the DLC, the media, and the 'skull and bones' crowd. Nothing is going to change unless we the people demand it. I am going to try and attend the next Dean meetup in my area. I think if we are persistent, we can make a difference. >>> Our group's first and foremost goal is to get out the word that we, the American people who were denied our rightful President need to see justice for that act!We see this travesty of justice as the catalyst that produced the domino effect of what we are seeing take place in our country and our world today. We want to hold accountable those in this country including and especially our own leadership, who precipitated this downward slide into the abyss because of their own complacency, fear, selfishness, and political expediency at the expense of our planet and our future. That is a bold and noble statement asserting our rights as Americans, and also a true statemrnt in describing the utter erosion of this system that allowed this to happen. Do you really believe however, that everyone in the Dean camp wants that too? I have been to the Dean forum, and I got totally trashed when I posted the letter about our intentions. I would be happy to work with other Americans who want to bring this process back to the people, but I will not support any other man for President but Al Gore. If you can find me Dean people however, who believe in this process and understand what was stolen from us, and that the ONLY way to secure JUSTICE and a sustainable future for our children is to DEMAND that our votes from 2000 be honored before going forward, lead me to them. Oh, and just as a point of order, we are not Draft Gore, we are Patriots For Gore.  Jan |
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Mar 4, 2004 7:59:10 GMT -5
Alright, alright, so I admit that we can't just make another goal in this forum to change the whole voting process. But holy cow, I didn't even touch on the complexity of the electoral college, and campaign finance (lackof)rules that allow widescale kickbacks and inequalities, let alone those billion dollar (supposed trusted) voting machines that still don't leave an audit trail. Good grief folks, could it really be any more of a P-POOR process? I don't see how. So, maybe this isn't quite the right place or time to try to solve this whole nightmare, but it sure is the right time to take a look at what is a GI-GOON-DAH problem that has us by the whatevers. This is exactly the place to bring that up, Julia, and you are correct. Unfortunately, it will take decades to undo the damage done. We can be the first generation to try, however, and our children can continue that fight. We must impart our knowledge upon them and give them the tools necessary to fight for a better country and world as well in order to be prepared to avoid the pitfalls of this society that would manipulate their minds and harden their hearts. That is where it starts. And also, until we can provide a system where MONEY is not the barometer of a person's worth, we will have this chaos we call American politics. Jan |
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Post by bellfacto on Mar 6, 2004 22:48:22 GMT -5
We americans, have been fed snake oil, mollified, lied to, and turned every which way but loose.
This, however, is not anything new. Not, for a rich and powerful nation. I believe that there was quite a bit of skullduggery back in 54 BC and say, 76 AD, in the Roman's senate and house.
How we deal with it, is the question.
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Julia
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GO GET HIM AL GORE!
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Post by Julia on Mar 9, 2004 10:23:07 GMT -5
There is an amazing amount of similarities in the rise and fall of the Roman empire and other civilizations. If we take the time to analyze how great cultures and civilizations have been lost, and rebuilt, we may be a society smart enough to steer ourselves from similar losses and damages. We still have the power to alter the dangerous course we are currently on, by examining the pitfalls, recognizing the symptoms, and directing the course our leaders take through citizen involvement. There is still time, and we have listed many ways to encourage Americans to take action in the threads throughout this site. The most surefire method to the quickest recovery is to put Al Gore at the helm of this magnificent (and endangered) ship!
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Mar 9, 2004 12:42:19 GMT -5
There is an amazing amount of similarities in the rise and fall of the Roman empire and other civilizations. If we take the time to analyze how great cultures and civilizations have been lost, and rebuilt, we may be a society smart enough to steer ourselves from similar losses and damages. We still have the power to alter the dangerous course we are currently on, by examining the pitfalls, recognizing the symptoms, and directing the course our leaders take through citizen involvement. There is still time, and we have listed many ways to encourage Americans to take action in the threads throughout this site. The most surefire method to the quickest recovery is to put Al Gore at the helm of this magnificent (and endangered) ship! Very astute and intelligent observation, Julia. The similarities between Caesar and Bush are astounding. I also see similarities between Hitler and Bush as well, (regarding military and political strategy.) Their "Empires" fell and so will this one. It is inevitable. As you also stated, we as a species must FINALLY get to the point when we really do look back on history not just for history's sake, but to actually LEARN from past mistakes to not make them again. Once we do that, THEN, and only then can we say we have truly evolved. Jan |
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Post by GoreLeadership on Apr 15, 2004 10:07:30 GMT -5
The point exactly... If Bush studied history and its ramifications, he too would be scared of himself!!  Simplistic mind, powerful role- A VERY DANGEROUS COMBINATION ;D ;D ;D -GoreLeadership |
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