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Post by TheParaclete on Jul 17, 2003 16:11:25 GMT -5
Not that I actually love the guy, but I feel we should try to be conciliatory toward Dr. Dean. I don't want to be made out as the unfair party. My choice is still Gore. I would do a write-in if I think it will work. I WANT Mr. Gore to give in and say OK guys I'LL RUN FOR PRESIDENT! That will stop all the clap-trap. Also as I said I just want to put all these nominees to work. They all shot their mouths off about this and that. Let's see how they perform in a Gore cabinet. Of course, Mr. Gore can choose who HE wants anyway EC. So my choices are really a moot point! Pullover! No it's a cardigan, but thanx for noticin!
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Jul 17, 2003 19:44:26 GMT -5
I wont vote for anyone but Al Gore. Even if I have to write his name in. Jan
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Post by EnemyCombatant on Jul 17, 2003 21:44:12 GMT -5
I wonder if you can do write-ins on computerized ballots.
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Post by Gorezilla on Jul 18, 2003 1:42:21 GMT -5
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Post by GoreSupporterNJ on Jul 19, 2003 18:15:39 GMT -5
Second Choice Howard Dean, a name virtually unknown to many Americans still, was supposedly the leader in the Moveon.org primary which to many who actually take these things seriously, thinks is makes him the front runner for the Democrats now. What has he done to deserve that distinction? What do we really know about this man? To me, is no Liberal, he is a Republican in Democratic clothing. It appears that Dean took the strong anti-war stance in order to get the angry/liberal Democrats to support him, and it worked for this primary. He came out strong against the Bush administration and the Iraq war, and people cheered him for it and he gained support for it. Did he really mean it though, or did he do it just to win that Moveon primary one day after he announced his candidacy? He is no longer speaking against the war from what I have seen, at least not blatantly, and now he even says the defense budget should not be cut. This along with his stance on raising the retirement age and cutting medicare doesn't make him out to be the candidate that the core Democratic base would support. All the Democratic candidates imo are really not energizing the base of this party as we should be seeing now. There is only ONE MAN who can elicit such political passion whether it be positive or negative. That man is Al Gore. To those who say he is not running and therefore not viable, that is not true. To loyal Gore supporters, he is speaking to us through his words and actions. He is the man who spoke out against this war before anyone else. He is the man who spoke out about the environmental disaster this administration is helping to bring on, and the economic burdens they will now cause our children to bear. Where is Howard Dean's SOLUTIONS? Where are ANY of their SOLUTIONS? Al Gore HAS the solutions, and I believe if enough of the American people wake up out of their stupor and actually realize that the man we need to set this country back on track is just waiting for the people to approach him (since the DLC element of this party that IMO has been taken over by Republican operatives cra****on him), HE WOULD TAKE IT. Al Gore has always been loyal to the people of America, andI believe he learned MUCH from the last three years since that event concerned Americans aren't allowed to discuss anymore happened. The spirit that America was born out of has been slowly extinquished over the years by people on BOTH SIDES who are so caught up in the grandstanding and the petty BS, that we have all lost sight of what is truly important. I have no doubt in my mind that we are now under the influence of fascists intent on taking over this govt. and turning it into an oligarchy by corporate control of our military and our media. Is it any wonder why Gore wants a more progressive cable channel? He's right, only those too mired in their politics can't admit it. We are drowning in RW Republican propaganda. A Howard Dean is NOT going to save this nation. I firmly believe Al Gore can. It is the American people however, who REALLY have to want it bad enough to make history. All I see however, are many Democrats afraid to really get up and out and FIGHT FOR IT, and others who do fight are either IGNORED or VILLIFIED. That is simply unacceptable. Also, Democrats choosing any port in a storm, a designated hitter, a second choice, isn't going to cut it now. Sorry, but seeing the immense repercussions of what this next election could reap upon this country, I don't intend to settle for the "second choice." I am going to FIGHT FOR AL. Jan.
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Post by Jeannie6 on Jul 30, 2003 20:50:52 GMT -5
I'm in the minority here (probably a minority of one), but I have to say in Howard Dean's defense that his passion -- FOR people-oriented policies and AGAINST Shrub -- is getting a lot of people involved in his campaign who have been turned off of politics in the past; his antiwar stance is for real, and that gives him a lot of built-in support; and he has the courage to take on the media (the organized saboteurs of Gore's candidacy) and to operate outside the box with some very innovative and effective campaign techniques. I don't agree with Dean's position on every issue, but he is the only active AND credible Democrat so far who has shown a willingness to really take the fight to Bush - and that's the only way to get that guy evicted. It's exciting news that Gore may actually re-enter the race but as long as he is not in the race, I'm supporting Dean - while doing everything in my power to convince President Gore to return to the fray.
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Post by EnemyCombatant on Aug 3, 2003 9:14:04 GMT -5
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Post by JamesAquila on Aug 3, 2003 15:49:13 GMT -5
I'm in the minority here (probably a minority of one), but I have to say in Howard Dean's defense that his passion -- FOR people-oriented policies and AGAINST Shrub -- is getting a lot of people involved in his campaign who have been turned off of politics in the past; his antiwar stance is for real, and that gives him a lot of built-in support; and he has the courage to take on the media (the organized saboteurs of Gore's candidacy) and to operate outside the box with some very innovative and effective campaign techniques. I don't agree with Dean's position on every issue, but he is the only active AND credible Democrat so far who has shown a willingness to really take the fight to Bush - and that's the only way to get that guy evicted. It's exciting news that Gore may actually re-enter the race but as long as he is not in the race, I'm supporting Dean - while doing everything in my power to convince President Gore to return to the fray. Sorry Jennie, I simply cannot agree with you about Dean. While I was open to all the decarled candidates at first, the more I find out about Dean the more I don't like him. He has flipfloped on several issues including the war. He made serveral statements in January and February actually supporting the war. Since then he has used the war issue to attack other Dems when he got a free pass because he was not in Congress. He has been the first Democrat to attak the other Dems and continues to do so. This is not good for whoever is the eventual nominee. And on many occasions he has misstated facts as well as the positions & records of the other Dems and has been forced to apologize. Those are GOP tactics, Dems should be above that. Now he is the only candidate not to agree to back the nominee as soon as enough delegates are secured. He is vowing to fight all the way to the convention. Nothing could be worse for the Democratic party. While he projects himself as a fighter who is he really fighting for. He has yet to reach out to any minorities. His rhetoric is consistantly negative (and mainly against other Dems) but offers nothing positive. To me it seems the only person Dean is fight for is himself. His record in Vermont is mixed and he proved to be a decisive figure in that state. Many liberals disgusted with him fled the Democratic party. Finally, most of the nine declared candidates wouldn't be there right now if Gore hadn't withdrawn. They acknowledged that Gore deserved the nomination because he really won in 2000. Dean did not and had decided to run early in 2002. This shows me the man has no sense of justice or respect.
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Post by algore048 on Aug 3, 2003 20:56:56 GMT -5
EC,
I read that WP article. Simply put, Howard Dean - his liberal facade = Joe Lieberman.
Howard Dean is very opportunistic. But he has helped the Gore campaign a lot and I will give him a credit for it. Why? On Last Friday's Hardball the female liberal commentator said that if Dean loses the Democratic nomination to Kerry Dean's supporters will rally behind Kerry, but if Kerry loses his nomination Kerry's supporters will be undecided.
She said that this means Dean's supporters are not supporting Dean but their cause to oust Bush, so they will be pragmatic and rally behind whoever the Democratic nominee is. If Gore becomes the Democratic nominee, Dean supporters will immediately rally behind Gore, and that is a huge group of supporters that Dean activated and energized.
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Post by JamesAquila on Aug 4, 2003 0:34:17 GMT -5
EC, Howard Dean is very opportunistic. But he has helped the Gore campaign a lot and I will give him a credit for it. Why? On Last Friday's Hardball the female liberal commentator said that if Dean loses the Democratic nomination to Kerry Dean's supporters will rally behind Kerry, but if Kerry loses his nomination Kerry's supporters will be undecided. She said that this means Dean's supporters are not supporting Dean but their cause to oust Bush, so they will be pragmatic and rally behind whoever the Democratic nominee is. If Gore becomes the Democratic nominee, Dean supporters will immediately rally behind Gore, and that is a huge group of supporters that Dean activated and energized. I think what that poll really means is that support for Dean is very soft. He's just the flavor of the month. And Die-Hard Deanies will never support anyone else. They'll just stay home like spoiled children.
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Post by GSC Admin on Aug 4, 2003 2:38:36 GMT -5
As you may know, there are many Deanies at DU. I have posted over there and said he cant win and they just go crazy. They are also a bunch of lefties. A while back, they banned me for supporting Al. They finally let me in now to support him. Tonight this guy says I attacked Dean supporters by saying they couldnt win. He also brought up the fact that I was threatining people when I said once when someone voted for Bush they needed to be hung! This guy just is stupid. Typical Deanie. I mean he just wouldnt quit. Just look at this non sense: www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=125313&mesg_id=125313
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Post by ayaneva2004 on Aug 4, 2003 14:52:00 GMT -5
Someone asked this already on this thread, but I'm wondering as well. How do we write in a name if the voting is a touchscreen system?
The only solution I can come up w/ is to write Gore's name on the screen w/ a Sharpie marker. The vote won't count, but it's the principle, I guess. ;-)
Seriously though, I suppose I could go and get my state ID switched back to MD, change my residential addy to my parents' apt and get an absentee ballot....An awful lot of trouble, but would I really have a choice? Or since I'm a student and most of my billing info gets sent to MD anyway, could I still file an absentee ballot in the state of MD? Anyone have any tips on how I can find out?
AyanEva
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Post by algore048 on Aug 4, 2003 22:41:33 GMT -5
As you may know, there are many Deanies at DU. I have posted over there and said he cant win and they just go crazy. They are also a bunch of lefties. A while back, they banned me for supporting Al. They finally let me in now to support him. Tonight this guy says I attacked Dean supporters by saying they couldnt win. He also brought up the fact that I was threatining people when I said once when someone voted for Bush they needed to be hung! This guy just is stupid. Typical Deanie. I mean he just wouldnt quit. Just look at this non sense: www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=125313&mesg_id=125313I see. But don't overlook the polls that are favorable to Gore and unfavorable to Dean and other candidates. If Gore runs, or is drafted, top Democratic contenders like Kerry, Dean, and Lieberman each will lose 30+% of their supporters to Gore. That is now. Starting last weekend the Draft Gore movement has started receiving the mainstream media attention. The media is still negative. Most of them said it's too late for Gore. But they are wrong and the momentum is building up. There are now Democratic insiders and Gore's close friends urging Gore to reconsider. And Gore will break his long silence and speak in New York City this Thursday. The more the Draft Gore movement is likely to succeed, the more defectors will flock to the Gore camp from other 9 candidates. The biggest losers will be the top contenders, especially Dean. Then die-hard Dean loyalists must make a choice: Gore or Bush. And there is no other third alternative choice.
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Post by EnemyCombatant on Aug 5, 2003 9:14:58 GMT -5
You know we are in trouble when ....
The Freepers on my board are defending Dean. I am in shock. These are the same guys who support Bush at every corner and believe that the rest of us are conspiracy nuts.
Why would Freepers defend Dean and he is the most fiery candidate against Bush?
This is a rhetorical question.
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Post by TheParaclete on Aug 5, 2003 13:06:50 GMT -5
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